Don't mean to start a big fight on this fine sunday morning - but here I go anyway.

When you really think about it, I mean really think about it, aren't women really sex objects. We try to say they aren't soooooooo much but, at the end of the day, when all is said and done, women are nevertheless seen as sex objects. We try to hide it as much as we can but don't we still really believe it anyway?

Of course women are not just sex objects. I feel that we have fooled ourselves into seeing men and women as equals. Women see themselves as objects of sex appeal and guys see every girl as a potential 'fun night' - or more - no matter what they say.

Why do women get breast implants? To have better posture? Why do women apply makeup? For sun protection? Why do women spend time and money improving their looks - at the expense of time devoted to enhancing skills and building experience? Because it is fun obsessing over looks?

Maybe you'd say "yeah, you're right, but the point is that it is wrong and we have to strive to correct the situation." To that I would reply with this - why spend so much time and energy fighting against our instinct? Against our nature? Look at what amazing things can happen when we go with our instincts - we get to the moon. Look what happens when we fight our instincts - we get a war on drugs that costs money and doesn't fight drugs.

Why not admit that women are seen primarily in terms of their sex appeal and embrace the truth. It will set you free - and hopefully set them free of their clothes!

nasser, of course you are right about women being sex objects. I think that men are too. We are sexual beings and can't help but look at each other in a sexual way.

We are also loving beings, and this wonderful emotion often allows us to not view the opposite sex as an object, receptacle or tool, but as fellow travellers.

I really liked how you said that women aren't just sex objects. I didn't like your last sentence because it seemed to negate your feelings about women being more than their bodies, but maybe that's just me.

All my life I wanted to be a sex object but I thought I wasn't good enough to be one, so I tried instead to gain acceptance and approval of men and others by hard work, worthiness, smartness, wisdom, and skill.
Finally I met a wonderful man who saw through my earnest facade and bought me my first silk thong panties.
Now I have a pooh-load of makeup, which he taught me to put on (with a trowel) and a closet full of silly shoes and jeans that leave nothing to the imagination and bras that take over when his hands are busy doing other things. I absolutely love it, and I am also back in college (a tech school) and I do math the best of anyone in my class. Ha ha ha ha!
My husband is very proud of his creation and of his creation's grades.
I'm a Barbie Girl!

ho hum

I guess for the typical woman, men are money objects and for the typical man, women are sex objects. Men tend to flash their sucess by talking about or showing the things they own. Men who don't have money seem to try to flash their ballsiness. As a woman, I went through a phase of indulging braininess and then a phase of the sex object game. I got in great shape, worked out frequently, spent any spare cash and credit on clothes, hairstyles, acryllic nails, etc. During that time, I found it very hard to keep my self and my identity. When others around me were having intellectual conversations, I was preoccupied with how I looked and how I came across physically, facial expressions, etc. and was not at ease. I felt like I was trying to be something I wasn't. I was a serial dater. Then I countered that phase with a phase in which I let myself go. That was not good either and the road back takes some doing. I had a 7 year relationship that taught me that keeping my identity is very important. However, now I put the emphasis on what is most important to me - spending most of my spare time reading, maybe watching congressmen debate issues or informative tv (though books teach me infinitely more than even the best educational tv I have access to), some type of constructive entertainment that helps me to become increasingly wise yet compassionate. However, I also practice good hygiene, wear just a tad of make-up that only takes about 2 minutes to apply, ride my exercise bike for about 15 minutes 4 times a week (as opposed to the marathon work-outs I used to do), eat more nutritiously than I used to but rarely make long productions out of meals and prepping because that is also too much of my time. I may not be a supermodel but I get by and I feel I was selling myself out when I was trying to be that. My identity revolves more around my thoughts and actions than having a man's conditional regard. But that's the difference between being 40 and having learned something and being 40 and pretending you're 20.

I agree that there's no such thing as equality between men and women. Both sexes are capable of doing things that are distinctively different from the other. For example, women can only bear children. For all other actions, like in work, we may be on the same playing field but it's the degree of how we do things that set the difference.

Damn good question. Forget about being politically correct! Here's my take.

Women are naturally more "curvy" physically and they know it! Guys are attracted to a woman's physical appearance, at least initially. I imagine it's something to do with her apparent ability to bear and nurse a child. So, yes, to a man, women ARE "sex objects."

We really do appreciate your efforts to look good, though. Thanks, gals!

I think one of the main goals of mankind is to procreate. If don't like that, then I'll arrange for you to have your genitalia removed, free of charge and with no hassle. Surely you won't mind.
Oddly enough, people without genitalia don't want to copulate. remove your genitalia, and it'll all seem like a big waste of time.