Perfection is a card held by an observer. When the observer observes something that it can find no fault with, it applies this card or signifier to that something, be it a being or a system or an action. Like anything spoken ot thought by a human this notion of perfection is fleeting and tied invariably to the existence of that person or that person's virial idea structure.

This is why it is anamolous. I could look at a an install of Linux, and note that it is a perfect install for a specific application. Someone who is more intellegent or knowledgable on the subject can look at it and find flaws. If never we two should meet and discuss said install that notion of perfect will still live in my mind, where all the signifiers I can relate with live.

Now I realize that some may draw a line between a subjective and objective perfection, but I will argue that since objectivity is uncomprehendable by the human mind, it is in the realm of faery dust and dragons.

"Humanity cannot be imperfect if good and evil do not exist."

This is true, Good and Evil are value judgements placed on objects. If no judgement is made on an object it is perfect as it is without flaw.

"To what would you contrast perfection? Is imperfection not tied to evil in at least one instance?"

Good and Evil are entirely tied into notion of perfection, but only in a subjective manner. If we wish to attemp to speak objectively (which we cannot due infallably because we are not omnicent) we have to eliminate the notion of good and bad as it is a construct of our ego, society and intellect. The only some what objective definition of perfect is "Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind. " (www.dictionary.com). Thus perfection is "utlimate reality", things as they really happen on the level below observation and reflection. Objective Perfection requires seeing the whole, in essence knowing everything.


"More importantly, I hope you did not intend to imply that humans would be perfect if not for being "hung up" on issues of importance. In implying this, you also realize that you have implied that evil is an unimportant concept. Tell this to the parent or child of a murder victim. Tell this to the murderer."

While that is exactly implying towards this arguement, I do not believe that evil is an unimportant concept. I think that socially it is a very important concept in the "post apple" world. Unfortunatly it is easily loaded and often used to as a herding technique (the manipulation of crowds).

On the other hand if we had no concept of good and evil, there would be no real desire, which I believe is the driving force behind most of our actions, good or evil.

I apologize for the bowling anaolgy, I typed it, took it out and then put it back in. It only scarely make sense to me.


Thanks for conversating this place has been dead for too long,
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Excellent!

"Everything in perfect rhythm, everything in perfect motion."
--Sky Cries Mary

Perfection is something that we as imperfect being have created in order to give ourselves something to strive for in our seemingly meaningless lives.

Coming from a Christian background I believe that we can only reach true perfection once we are saved, die and reach the afterlife.

but conversely, who can say that they are [perfect]?